Any use this focus option

[Photofarmer]

I don’t yet and haven’t really explored it.

 

[PKM-UK]

I don’t yet and haven’t really explored it.

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Hi Peter,

Yes. I've set this up for both my R5 and Karen's R7. One example use-case would be where we're at the zoo (typically using Servo AF/ Face + Tracking) and the AF just cannot find the desired target, we'd have an alternative set-up available (via the AF-ON button ) which switches things over to 'One-Shot->enabled (magnify)' so we can then attempt to manually focus on the subject - with the added magnification greatly assisting the fine-tuning process.

Occasionally very useful...

Phil

 

[Photofarmer]

Will have a play tommorow

 

[Kamoshika]

I don’t yet and haven’t really explored it.

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Yes. I find it useful for macro.

 

[Photofarmer]

for example how would I use it in this example presume magnify on say cloud get pin sharp then continue photographing?
its really a challenge storm photography at times with focus.
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[TwoWheeler]

Yes. I find it useful for macro.

Tell me more…

 

[TwoWheeler]

Answered my own question by RTFM:

 

[ctitanic]

I do not think that this works if you use back button focus. I use always Servo so I do not think that this will work either in that mode. I can adjust focus manually at any time if I stop pushing the back button in my case. What I usually do is to click in the Magnify Button and then turn the Focus Ring in the lens to achieve focus.

 

[TwoWheeler]

I do not think that this works if you use back button focus.

Actually, it does. It does say “One Shot” though so it doesn’t work with continuous focus.

You don’t get Focus Peaking or the Focus guide though.

 

[ctitanic]

Actually, it does. It does say “One Shot” though so it doesn’t work with continuous focus.

You don’t get Focus Peaking or the Focus guide though.

I’ll try again tomorrow

 

[TwoWheeler]

I’ll try again tomorrow

I’ve only just begun playing with it, so I am by no means an authority on it, but for macro, I was pressing my back button -and the camera’s - to rough autofocus then pressing and holding the button and turning the focus ring.

 

[ctitanic]

No matter what I do, I can't get that option to work using back button focus.

 

[PKM-UK]

Following up on my earlier post regarding our set-up, I have configured the (AF-ON) button via the 'Customise buttons' Menu and 'AF-ON' option as follows -

AF-ON = 'Metering and AF Start', plus - crucially (via the 'hidden area' accessed using [INFO Detail set.] when still on the AF-ON button options screen) - AF Operation = 'One Shot', AF method = 'Expand AF area: Around' and Servo AF characteristics = '1'.

This, in combination with setting 'One-Shot->enabled (magnify)', enables the user to switch to this alternative (non-latching) set-up using the (AF-ON) button.

Hopefully this additional information will be helpful in clarifying this aspect of our (AF-ON) button set-up.

Phil

 

[ctitanic]

I gave up,
I still achieve the same by clicking in the magnifying glass button and then the focus control ring in the lens.

 

[TwoWheeler]

No matter what I do, I can't get that option to work using back button focus.

You are clearly unworthy of your camera. Please box it up and send it to me.

Are you holding the back button (in my case “AF-ON”) while turning the focus ring?

 

[ctitanic]

You are clearly unworthy of your camera. Please box it up and send it to me.

Are you holding the back button (in my case “AF-ON”) while turning the focus ring?

Yes, I do. Question, are you using an EF lens or a RF? Regarding sending you my camera I’ll do that as soon as I receive your money order for the amount of $2000

 

[TwoWheeler]

Yes, I do. Question, are you using an EF lens or a RF?

RF - 85, at the moment. R5, Single spot AF, One Shot AF, 2 second self timer…evaluative metering…

Press and hold the AF-ON button…and as soon as I touch the focus ring, it jumps to zoomed view and I get a flashing “MF” on the left side of the LCD.

If all that rings true, there’s got to be something in the menus we’re missing.

Regarding sending you my camera I’ll do that as soon as I receive your money order for the amount of $2000

The check is in the mail.

 

[ctitanic]

RF - 85, at the moment. R5, Single spot AF, One Shot AF, 2 second self timer…evaluative metering…

Press and hold the AF-ON button…and as soon as I touch the focus ring, it jumps to zoomed view and I get a flashing “MF” on the left side of the LCD.

If all that rings true, there’s got to be something in the menus we’re missing.


The check is in the mail.

I think that the issue is with using an EF lens.

 

[TwoWheeler]

I think that the issue is with using an EF lens.

Huh. Done get learned somethin’ new every day…

 

[ctitanic]

I found this video about magnification

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[TwoWheeler]

I found this video about magnification

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

You should post an angry comment that One Shot Enabled Magnify doesn’t work with EF lenses - call him bad names and stuff, I mean it is Youtube and all…

 

[ctitanic]

You should post an angry comment that One Shot Enabled Magnify doesn’t work with EF lenses - call him bad names and stuff, I mean it is Youtube and all…

I have my R6 configured in certain mode that works in the way I want, the option to make the magnification work as described here is not something that I need and I’m not willing to change what works for me for a feature that I don’t need and requires to change the configuration to options that I know for fact will harm the way I shoot. I can’t not prove with certainty that the magnification option described here does not work with EF lenses, 99.9% of the time those are the lenses that I use, I own the RF50mm which the only RF I own and I never use.

The bottom line is that I’m not spending more time trying to figure out an option that I will never use.

 

[TwoWheeler]

I have my R6 configured in certain mode that works in the way I want,

I know. I’ve seen your photos.

I can’t not prove with certainty that the magnification option described here does not work with EF lenses, 99.9% of the time those are the lenses that I use, I own the RF50mm which the only RF I own and I never use.

It was more a curiosity for me as to why I could get it to work and you couldn’t. I refuse to be thwarted by a mere machine! If ever acquire or borrow an EF lens, I will most likely try this, just to see if that’s really the issue. Then I can feel all smug and smart-ish.

The bottom line is that I’m not spending more time trying to figure out an option that I will never use.

Makes perfect sense. Kinda like the film sims on the Fuji I had. There’s also a lot of “yeah, that’s nice, but…” stuff on my R5.

(I intended my “angry rant on YouTube” response as a wry comment about the self righteous idiots who feel compelled to post in Youtube comments and tell the person posting the video how wrong they are.)

 

[ctitanic]

Well, I do post comments in youtube pointing to mistakes when I see then but this is not a case where I'm sure that the issue I'm having is because using EF lenses.

At this point, for sure, I know that the options that need to be changed to make this work are not compatible with my settings and style.

For example, it seems that you need to be in One Shot AF mode, and I do not use this mode at all. Even on a controlled environment such as a Studio and your camera in a tripod, people are not static figures and if they move even few millimeters (depending on your Aperture) you could end with a picture that it's not sharp enough. I do not have a Studio, I do not use a Tripod ever, so One Shot AF is totally useless to me.

It seems that also, eye af and tracking my be a problem for this option, and I use this feature all time...

I use configurations pre-saved in the C1-C3 buttons 100% of my time and doing changing in my M mode is something that I really avoid afraid that in the few occasions that I use M looking for full control of my camera I end on a forgotten setting that will stop me from getting a unique photo. When you do most of the time Wildlife photography you need your camera ready all time, you can't "pause" nature to start debugging why your camera is not doing/working in the way you are expecting.

I do use magnification and manual focus from time to time when AF is really hard (birds hidden behind branches) but all I do is, stop pressing my AF/ON button, press the magnifying button, and turn the focus ring on my lens. This, works for me. But this described scenario is something that I may use once in few weeks. I do not depend on magnification for my photos. I depend on Servo Mode, Eye AF and Subject Tracking.

I can see the use of this option for landscape or macro photography and I'm not saying that One Shot AF should be removed from Canon Cameras. Let me clarify that. All I'm saying is that for the type of photography I practice these options are not the best ones or the ones that I use.

I felt intrigued by this thread describing an option that I thought it may be useful to me but knowing what I know now I found that it's not what I thought it could be.

From the time when I was a Sony user, I think that they had an option "MF overwrite" that could be configured to use magnification, as soon as you stopped to push your AF back button and you touched the focus ring in your lens (with AF on in your lens) the camera was magnifying the view right away. You did not have to change any AF settings in your camera other that having that option enabled. That was what I was looking for.

 

[TwoWheeler]

Well, I do post comments in youtube pointing to mistakes when I see then but this is not a case where I'm sure that the issue I'm having is because using EF lenses.

Ah hah! So you are a member of the torch and pitchfork brigade!

I was really just trying to sort out what the difference between our setups was, that was making this not work for you…because I just have to know why. I’m like that - I waste inordinate amounts of time and brainpower trying to figure out stuff that really doesn’t matter.

Even on a controlled environment such as a Studio and your camera in a tripod, people are not static figures

I do not and have never (knowingly) taken a picture of a person. I hate people. I seldom use a tripod, because I also hate tripods. I am begrudgingly using them more, after having “ruined” a few closeup shots, since depth of field is so shallow closeup…and the least bit of me moving can (and does) throw focus off. Plus, I am slowly acknowledging that I need to stack more. Denial is not pretty.

I mostly just lug tripods around and whinge about it.

I use configurations pre-saved in the C1-C3 buttons 100% of my time

As do I. I don’t even have the other options visible, since all of my settings are based around FV mode -which as far as I’m concerned is all the other modes -I have C1 as “general porpoise/landscape” mode, C2 as my “critters that might be moving” mode and C3 as “macro”.

and doing changing in my M mode is something that I really avoid afraid that in the few occasions that I use M looking for full control of my camera I end on a forgotten setting that will stop me from getting a unique photo.

That was one of the things that pushed me away from Fuji. At first, I liked the manual dials because they were easy to understand, given my previous background in film. But, since I’m neurotic about what I shoot, I need to be able to switch settings around on a whim. You can’t assign a physical control to a custom setting and I was forever forgetting something when I switch subject type. I’m lucky I can remember to point the lens towards the subject.

I can see the use of this option for landscape or macro photography

Actually, I was most interested in it for macro/closeup work, but the loss of the focus aid and focus peaking makes this “feature” of limited use to me. It might work for landscape. Still, it was a simple change for me and it doesn’t really impact anything else. So, someday, if I even remember it exists, I may use it. Maybe.

It sounded cool, though.