Canon R5 R5 Won’t Allow Me to Manual Focus Override With RF 100mm Macro Lens

[Hali]

I had noticed this problem a while back but it really was a problem when I was doing macro work in Costa Rica. When I try to use my focusing ring on any lens to over-ride the autofocus it just doesn't work. My R6 works just fine. At first I thought it was the 100mm macro lens, but then I tried all my other lenses and it is not a lens issue (I even tried my lens on someone elses camera to be sure). I am in Servo AF mode
I have reset my entire camera settings from the reset (yellow menu #5) tried the basic first then everything other than the root certificate.

Anyone have any ideas or am I doomed to send the camera to Canon and hope for the best?

TIA

 

[Kwazy]

Did you specifically turn on the setting for it? In R6 I had to allow "Manual focus anytime" or something along those lines for that to work.

The control ring needs to be explicitly assigned to do that, I think it maybe something else by default?

Maybe you have Disable in AF mode "ON" ?

Oh, and actually Im pretty sure it doesn't work in servo mode, at least for me. Only works in one-shot focus.

 

[Hali]

Did you specifically turn on the setting for it? In R6 I had to allow "Manual focus anytime" or something along those lines for that to work.

Oh, and actually Im pretty sure it doesn't work in servo mode, at least for me. Only works in one-shot focus.

Yes, the manual focus anytime is on. It doesn't work in servo or one-shot. On my R6 I didn't have "Manual focus anytime" set and it still works in servo mode, I don't get the distance bar but I can focus on something then change the focus with the focus ring on any lens.

 

[Kwazy]

Yes, the manual focus anytime is on. It doesn't work in servo or one-shot. On my R6 I didn't have "Manual focus anytime" set and it still works in servo mode, I don't get the distance bar but I can focus on something then change the focus with the focus ring on any lens.

Hmm I'll try it.

And sorry, I wrote about the control ring above - you're talking specifically about the focus ring. That should just work if you allow electronic AF anytime...
It's a little concerning that I've seen quite a few posts about R5/R6 having issues. Canon dropping the ball.
I had my shooting settings randomly reset to some default a few days ago. I think someone had mentioned that happening as well at some point.

 

[Hali]

I had my shooting settings randomly reset to some default a few days ago. I think someone had mentioned that happening as well at some point.

That's unnerving. I haven't had that issue, yet! I hope you didn't have a hard time resetting it.

And canon is giving me an estimate of $530 to repair the camera.

 

[Kwazy]

That's unnerving. I haven't had that issue, yet! I hope you didn't have a hard time resetting it.

It was only a handful of immediate settings in Aperture Priority I think, mostly I was surprised with focus mode going to servo while I had been using single shot. I'm half-doubting that that actually happened, but almost certain it did. Perhaps I pressed something? It was really hot at the time, and maybe it overheated? I was not able to replicate it and none of the saved settings like Custom functions or customizations were impacted.

And canon is giving me an estimate of $530 to repair the camera.

Not too bad considering it's a 4k body. But things like this should be covered by warranty, and I guess you've had yours for quite a while? Hopefully no more issues in its lifetime once you get it serviced.

 

[Jake Shoots Birds]

What lens are you using? The Electronic Full-Time Manual Focus override doesn't work with all lenses, and says so in the Info section of that setting. I stuck the 100mm macro on my R5 and no, it doesn't work on mine either.

No idea why this isn't universal for Canon. My 100-500mm didn't work when I first got my combo but it was added in a firmware. I would have expected the 100mm to work, but perhaps with the macro function Canon is reading minds and thinking we'd want one or the other but not an override because the focus sensitivity of macro photography?!

The Info screen says there's a list of supported lenses on the Canon website, but I'll be damned if I can find it.

 

[Jake Shoots Birds]

Well I'll be damned...

Canon Knowledge Base - Compatible lens list for [Electronic full-time MF] (EOS R5 / EOS R6)

As expected, the 100mm Macro is not on there.

 

[Kwazy]

I stuck the 100mm macro on my R5 and no, it doesn't work on mine either.

I override focus on my 100mm macro all the time on the R6, but it only works in single shot. Maybe as Hali said, in servo mode or still overrides but doesn't show the distance bar, I'll have to check.

Is R5 that different?

 

[Jake Shoots Birds]

I override focus on my 100mm macro all the time on the R6, but it only works in single shot. Maybe as Hali said, in servo mode or still overrides but doesn't show the distance bar, I'll have to check.

Is R5 that different?

Didn't try it in single shot. The 100-500mm will override regardless of mode.

 

[Hali]

I override focus on my 100mm macro all the time on the R6, but it only works in single shot. Maybe as Hali said, in servo mode or still overrides but doesn't show the distance bar, I'll have to check.

Is R5 that different?

The R5 in this case is that different. Dang it

 

[Hali]

What lens are you using? The Electronic Full-Time Manual Focus override doesn't work with all lenses, and says so in the Info section of that setting. I stuck the 100mm macro on my R5 and no, it doesn't work on mine either.

No idea why this isn't universal for Canon. My 100-500mm didn't work when I first got my combo but it was added in a firmware. I would have expected the 100mm to work, but perhaps with the macro function Canon is reading minds and thinking we'd want one or the other but not an override because the focus sensitivity of macro photography?!

The Info screen says there's a list of supported lenses on the Canon website, but I'll be damned if I can find it.

Well, I'll be darned. And you saved me @$600.00. The only lens on that list that I have is the 100-500 and it *does* work. Why the others don't is beyond me. Especially the 100 macro You would think that of all lenses that should work. I want to override my autofocus all the time with it. What a stupid move on Canon's part. Here's where I go to the forums and beg for them to put that functionality in the next firmware release. (as if they'd listen).

The really weird thing is that the tour leader on my Costa Rica tour has an RF 100 and the R5 and it worked on his body!

Thanks for digging up the list.

 

[Hali]

Because I'm never happy I kept going through things until I found that it does work. With a caveat

In the AF (purple menu) under Lens electronic MF (#4) it needs to be set to the second item - single shot-enable
Then you have to hold down the shutter button halfway to make it work.

Works with the 100mm macro, 14-35mm f/4, and the 50mm f/1.8 STM it does not work on the 24-240 strangely enough.

I still for the life of me can't understand why it works without this workaround on my R6 and it works fine with the 24-240 on that camera too.
But I will put it to rest for a while now and wait to see what Canon comes back with from my support inquiry.

 

[Kwazy]

In the AF (purple menu) under Lens electronic MF (#4) it needs to be set to the second item - single shot-enable

Ahh yes, that is a setting I have turned on and believe it didn't work without it. I enabled it on the first or second day and forgot it existed. I wish I had remembered it or realized that that could be the problem.

Just checked with the servo - manual focus doesn't work. Servo keeps overriding it.

 

[Philnick]

On my R7 that limitation doesn't apply - I can keep the AF menu set to enable both Servo and Full Time Manual all the time - which means that on the ultra-small RF lenses like the 16mm f/2.8 that have only one ring that's switchable between Control and Focus, that switch is all I have to toggle - there's no menu-diving necessary to turn on manual focus while in AF. This means I can set that ring to Focus, use it to get the focus "in the ballpark" - and Servo will take over.

My main use for it is on the RF 70-200mm f/4 L at indoor events, shooting at a distance,

Here's the more recent version of that compatibility list.

It lists many more lenses as compatible with the R3, R6 Mark II, R7, R8 and R10, but for some reason doesn't have columns for the R, RP, R5, and original R6.

Don't know why it shows the RF 16mm f/2.8 as supported but not the RF 50mm f/1.8, which shares the same physical packaging.

Fortunately, I don't really need it for my 50 f/1.8, which has no problem with AF in low light.