Other Canon needs to develop a mid-tier RF lens lineup

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

The introduction of the 200-800 really got me thinking Canon needs to introduce a mid-tier RF lens lineup. Similar optical quality to the current line of non-L lenses, but perhaps slightly more robust build quality, larger apertures in the zooms, and weather sealing. There’s no reason Canon couldn’t put out $1000ish lenses with these type of capabilities. I think there might be a market for it.

 

[Archibald]

For birders, there is the 100-400mm and it is reputed to be a pretty good lens. And for general photography, we have the 24-105mm STM. All FF offerings, and good choices, I think. So the 2nd tier seems to be fairly well covered.

What I am wishing for is the converse: pro-quality crop-frame lenses. Think an RFS 15-90mm f/2.8 with a red ring.

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

No weather sealing is lacking for a mid-tier lens. And the 24-105 STM, while brilliant for a kit lens, is too slow to be considered a mid-tier lens. 7.1 at 105 can be painful.I would consider the 24-105 L mid-tier. It’s price point for performance is good.

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

Think an RFS 15-90mm f/2.8 with a red ring.

Aren’t they coming out with an RF-S 16-50 L? I support that. I might grab a R7/10 if that’s the case.

 

[Archibald]

Aren’t they coming out with an RF-S 16-50 L? I support that. I might grab a R7/10 if that’s the case.

There's never been an L crop frame lens. But it would be nice if there were. An f/2.8 L with a normal zoom range would be great. An f/2 should be possible and wonderful, but doubt it will happen. All of the big 3 are pushing FF products and giving little attention to crop.

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

I thought there was a recent announcement of a new 2.8 APS-C lens Canon is releasing in the next month or so. I’m pretty sure it was a 16-50ish. Not sure if it will be an L.

 

[flowrider]

^^^^I don't believe Canon has ever made an APS-C lens that carried the "L" moniker.

 

[Kamoshika]

Basically, they need to open up their RF mount to Sigma and Tamron.

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

^^^^I don't believe Canon has ever made an APS-C lens that carried the "L" moniker.

They haven’t. There was a rumor put out around a week ago that a new RF-S lens was coming out. I can’t remember the exact focal lengths, but it was a constant 2.8. Jared Polin originally got excited about it because he thought it was a full frame lens, which makes me think it was an L. I’m trying to find his video on it.

 

[AntonLargiader]

Are you thinking about lenses essentially like the gold band EF lenses?

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

Are you thinking about lenses essentially like the gold band EF lenses?

Yes, something along those lines. Add weather sealing and slightly more robust build quality with RF Optics. There needs to be something in between the typically +$2,000 price for the L lenses, and sub $900 price of the non L lenses, not counting the 200-800. The biggest complaint I hear from people about the R system is lens prices and lack of options.

 

[AntonLargiader]

I think the RF line's L category flexes downward a bit to cover some of that. For instance, you have three 24-105 options already: variable aperture, f/4L, and f/2.8L (plus the 24-70/2.8 and the 28-70/2). The f/4L is right in the price range you are thinking, right? $1300 new, $1169 refurb. Seems like quite a good value if you don't need 2.8. I haven't really looked at the same relationship for other lenses, though, because I'm not shopping in any other range at the moment.

And although that middle category may be missing in some focal length ranges, I have to acknowledge that the RF line has brought some new concepts, like the extremely inexpensive supertele primes (as well as the extremely expensive new zooms!).

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

The three F4 L lenses are in the territory I am talking about. I think they’d do well with adding some primes to that price range. All of their L primes are $2k +.

The Non-L zooms all have small apertures that really limit the creative possibilities with them.

I think the 3rd party lens issues are holding back some would be consumers. If Canon introduced a more “prosumer” level of lenses with a 35/50/85 prime that offers weather sealing and slightly more robust build quality, they might grab some of those customers. Perhaps weather sealing, sturdy build, f1.4… sort of like the gold ring EFs.

I don’t think Canon is ever going to play nice with 3rd party lenses. They’re in the money making business and selling Canon lenses and nothing else is apart of that.

 

[MrSparks999]

Surely the issue here is that if they already make lenses with better build quality, better weather sealing and bigger apertures, those are the L lenses. I know i cant afford some of the L lenses i would like (all of them) , but i think they couldn't make an in between lens as would affect the sales of the L lenses. I think once 3rd party RF lenses start appearing more, then there will be a lot more choice as was the case with the EF mount.

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

I am not confident Canon will ever license auto focus 3rd party lenses. They seem to be doing a bit of word soup on that topic.

 

[chipman]

Canon claims they are 'in talks' with other parties. Since nothing is happening they must not be able to agree to terms.
How far apart they are, and how willing they are to make a deal, is another question.
Canon can say it's not their fault if XYZ didn't want to deal.

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

I don’t think we’re going to see any auto focus 3rd party lenses while Canon has an active patent on their technology. Auto focus systems are one of the main things separating MILC right now and I don’t think Canon wants to give away anything. Maybe the licensing fees they’re asking for are too high for 3rd party manufacturers to turn a profit, but we will probably ever know.

 

[SO8]

Perhaps Canon could do what Sony do .... G Master ... G ... Zeiss ... normal ... it gives their buyers more options than Canon + IMO their lenses are smaller (generally now), lighter, feel better made and are cheaper ! All that said I far prefer Canon cameras lol !!

 

[JoeTheSnowPlowGuy]

Nikon is sort of following the same path with their lenses. They have about 3 tiers. A lot of people will point to the 14-35 F4, 24-105 F4, and 70-200 F4 as the “middle tier”, which they might be, but I think it would go a long way for Canon to drop L primes in the same price range: 35 1.4, 50 1.4, 85 1.4 or a 135 2. If the prices were around 1500 they’d probably sell quite well. I suppose they might take away sales from their more expensive lenses. I think the business model is to drive people (event and wedding photographers) toward the 2.8 zooms and the 1.2 primes. It’s probably working for them and that’s probably why we aren’t seeing those lenses.