Lightroom Classic v12.3 released...

[PKM-UK]

v12.3 introduces 'Denoise' - AI powered noise reduction, curves for masking, AI masks for clothes and facial hair, edit in Photoshop workflow enhancements and some other stuff.

I'll be having a look at the new NR option as soon as I get it loaded (note Denoise currently only works with raw files). I'm not expecting it to be 'zero to hero' straight off the blocks, however - it's a start...

(Also released are updates to Camera Raw and Photoshop).

Phil

Edit - Crikey, it's not bad...

First test LR C Denoise (left) set to 75% strength on an ISO 6400 image vs DxO PhotoLab using DeepPRIME XD (right). Both then edited in Lr C. (Screen capture limitations apply).

 

[Only RF]

Really? Wow. I’ve been waiting for so long for this.

 

[PKM-UK]

Really? Wow. I’ve been waiting for so long for this.

Hi Only RF,

You can officially put me down as 'Very Impressed'.

A couple more ISO 6400 re-edits below and in the Monthly Thread (Lr C Denoise set to 75% - running smoothly on my M1 Max).

Phil

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[Only RF]

My requests to Adobe. The link to the original request is broken.

P: (AI) Noise Reduction

A few years ago I posted this request and was wondering if Adobe has looked into it. Competitors keep adding and improving Noise Reduction AI. It sure would make a big difference to not require 3rd party software. As I previouvly suggested keep the current method for speed and add NR Sensie for...

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[PKM-UK]

My requests to Adobe. The link to the original request is broken.

P: (AI) Noise Reduction

A few years ago I posted this request and was wondering if Adobe has looked into it. Competitors keep adding and improving Noise Reduction AI. It sure would make a big difference to not require 3rd party software. As I previouvly suggested keep the current method for speed and add NR Sensie for...

community.adobe.com

Hi Only RF,

It may have taken them a little time, but from where I'm sitting it looks like they listened to you...

(And well done you for pushing them!).

Phil

 

[Only RF]

I doubt it was me. I just whined about the lack of it.

 

[Only RF]

Just tried it out. Before the release I figured it would create a separate DNG like Enhance. I'm so glad they kept the Detail tab NR for speed editing. I had hope they would do that.

 

[PKM-UK]

I doubt it was me. I just whined about the lack of it.

HI Only RF,

In fairness, it was probably not just you - but you were one of those that voiced an opinion and that's very important.

This upgrade has been needed for a long time and they have clearly been taking it VERY seriously (if steadily... ).

Phil

 

[Only RF]

HI Only RF,

In fairness, it was probably not just you - but you were one of those that voiced an opinion and that's very important.

This upgrade has been needed for a long time and they have clearly been taking it VERY seriously (if steadily... ).

Phil

I definitely know it wasn't. I'm a minnow in an ocean. It just feels good that when I requested it a principle scientist at Adobe responded to that original request. I've waited so long it just feels good.

 

[TonyB]

Just compared Adobe to Topaz Photo AI on an R7 night shot at 6400 ISO. The original has a lot of noise. Care to guess which is the Adobe and which is the Topaz? I know a screenshot isn't the best. Adobe was set to 50%; Topaz was on its auto settings. Adobe is on the left and I am quite impressed. Now if they could only fix the bug I've had open for a year where Lightroom Classic to Photoshop Edit In workflow is broken on sporadic systems.

 

[PKM-UK]

Just compared Adobe to Topaz Photo AI on an R7 night shot at 6400 ISO. The original has a lot of noise. Care to guess which is the Adobe and which is the Topaz? I know a screenshot isn't the best. Adobe was set to 50%; Topaz was on its auto settings. Adobe is on the left and I am quite impressed. Now if they could only fix the bug I've had open for a year where Lightroom Classic to Photoshop Edit In workflow is broken on sporadic systems.

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Hi Tony,

I must admit I was more than a little sceptical about whether Adobe Denoise could be competitive straight out of the box, but so far it's producing very impressive results. (If I'm perfectly honest, I'm a bit shocked how good it is).

I'm not sure I'll be ditching DxO or Topaz Labs just yet, but I'll certainly be comparing the results from the various options (where time permits!) - and I won't be surprised if Adobe is 'the winning solution' in a number of instances.

I've been using 50-75% strength on ISO 3200-6400 raw files with very good results. Further testing will follow in the coming days (and weeks!) I'm sure...

(I've not come across your Lr C -> Photoshop issue, but good luck on getting a fix).

Phil

 

[freddijay]

The same updates seem to have been applied to ACR and they are indeed impressive. This may obviate the necessity for Topaz AI for me. I like the textures better in the limited sample set I've processed so far.
The accuracy of the masking improved markedly IMHO.

 

[Only RF]

Hi Tony,

I must admit I was more than a little sceptical about whether Adobe Denoise could be competitive straight out of the box, but so far it's producing very impressive results. (If I'm perfectly honest, I'm a bit shocked how good it is).

I'm not sure I'll be ditching DxO or Topaz Labs just yet, but I'll certainly be comparing the results from the various options (where time permits!) - and I won't be surprised if Adobe is 'the winning solution' in a number of instances.

I've been using 50-75% strength on ISO 3200-6400 raw files with very good results. Further testing will follow in the coming days (and weeks!) I'm sure...

(I've not come across your Lr C -> Photoshop issue, but good luck on getting a fix).

Phil

I'm glad they took their time and had a good first release, unlike Topaz PAI. I don't Adobe was under the same pressure as Topaz. Big command with good sales and lots of resources.

 

[TonyB]

In this example, Adobe beats Topaz by correctly identifying the noise in and behind the trees, which seems to have confused Topaz Photo AI. When I get more time, I'll run some comparisons to Topaz DeNoise AI. I went with Photo AI because that's where Topaz is putting all their development efforts. If Adobe does the same with sharpening, Topaz may have to shift their business model back to "effect" products rather than processing. Personally, I really wish Topaz would bring back their classic effects and update Adjust AI and Studio.

Photo AI on the left; Adobe on the right. R7 at 6400 ISO

 

[PKM-UK]

In this example, Adobe beats Topaz by correctly identifying the noise in and behind the trees, which seems to have confused Topaz Photo AI. When I get more time, I'll run some comparisons to Topaz DeNoise AI. I went with Photo AI because that's where Topaz is putting all their development efforts. If Adobe does the same with sharpening, Topaz may have to shift their business model back to "effect" products rather than processing. Personally, I really wish Topaz would bring back their classic effects and update Adjust AI and Studio.

Photo AI on the left; Adobe on the right. R7 at 6400 ISO
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Hi Tony,

+1 for Topaz Studio 2 and Adjust AI. (The former still works on my latest tech, but the latter has slipped beneath the waves).

Phil

 

[freddijay]

Just fooling around and I'm not expert in PP. The "L0RD1632-topaz-enhance-denoiseraw-sharpen-4096PX.jpg" file was a RAW file processed in Topaz Photo AI
The "L0RD1632-Enhanced-SR-4096PX.jpg" was enhanced in ACR 12.3. This doubles the resolution. It then was manually sharpened and denoised in ACR.
File named "L0RD1632-Enhanced-NR-4096PX.jpg" was denoised using the new feature in ACR 12.3, opened in PS CC and sized up in Topaz Gigapixel AI.
I'm sure my methodology is erratic here but these are interesting results. I will be pursuing it further. If the metadata fails, this image was shot at ISO 12800 but not underexposed.
I am so accustomed to having the ability to zoom to 100% that I forgot it cannot be done here. I have added some cropped images for a closer look.

 

[Only RF]

Now you can push Texture, Sharpening and Detail so much more. This is my favourite test file from 2020. ISO 16,000 with my R.

No NR

NN by MPC, on Flickr

Denoise. I guess the new acronym is now ADN?

DN by MPC, on Flickr

Final cropped

_N4A3907-Enhanced-NR by MPC, on Flickr

 

[Only RF]

I did make a mistake with my last post which I corrected. It was - ISO 16,000 with my R. I forgot to add - Wow!

 

[Bucolic Old Sir Henry]

Well this was a timely update to wake up to. I'd been pondering whether to extend LRC with one of the denoise programmes I see referenced everywhere - in fact I got very close to pushing the button on Topaz PhotoAI over the weekend, but now the urgency is greatly diminished.

My motivation was a recent session photographing one of NZ's most charming little native birds, the piwakawaka, or fantail (Rhipidura fuliginosa). They often flutter around when you're walking through the bush, or in this case, our garden. They are happy to pose, but are rapid movers when they choose, and they much prefer the gloomy undergrowth and shrubbery to well-lit open air.

This shot was taken at ISO 25,600 (I use Fv with auto ISO, setting shutter speed and letting aperture and ISO look after themselves). This version was the best I could do in LRC until this morning...

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After treatment (at 75% on the slider)...

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I'm impressed. I shall be going back over quite a few shots I'd effectively written off as being too noisy to bother with. But I'll also be playing with the amount slider. Although the detail in the feathers is excellent, the background and branch almost look over-smoothed to me. Or perhaps its just that I grew up with the grain in Tri-X and Kodachrome... ;-)

 

[Only RF]

This is a pretty good video.

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[RedCobra]

Now, if they could only fix their Camera Profiles.

 

[Only RF]

Now, if they could only fix their Camera Profiles.

I must say that while waiting for profiles for the R5 I did warm up to Adobe Color. I also had these. You may like them.

Camera Profiles - Color Fidelity

 

[PKM-UK]

This is a pretty good video.

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A good overview of a number of the new features can be watched at: The Joy of Editing with Dave Kelly.

Phil

 

[Only RF]

Can Lightroom's NEW Denoise AI Replace DxO, Topaz, and ON1?

Lightroom Editing Companion - https://bio.site/alexarmitageDenoise has likely made the most progress in a relatively short amount of time over the past coupl...

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[Only RF]

I may have mentioned this before. Now you can really push the sharpening like never before. That presenter didn't even touch the Texture and Detail sliders.

 

[Bucolic Old Sir Henry]

Julieanne Kost's video covers everything you need to know - and a fair bit that others have yet to pick up on. Given what I said above about smoothness, interesting to see she suggests adding back some grain!

 

[Only RF]

Julieanne Kost's video covers everything you need to know - and a fair bit that others have yet to pick up on. Given what I said above about smoothness, interesting to see she suggests adding back some grain!

Some noise is good. If it is too smooth you can get pixelization when you print. Smooth is great for posting for web media.

 

[Only RF]

Edit using Denoise with or without LrC adjustments? I tried it and I couldn't see a difference either. Just to be on the safe side setting up a preset to remove all edits is pretty easy. Anthony says to use reset button but that puts Sharpening to the default of 40 and the lens corrections are still active.

Adobe says to

• We recommend to Denoise your image before applying other tools, including AI masks and Content-Aware, as using Enhance might change the result of the tools used.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/enhance-details.html

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[PKM-UK]

Edit using Denoise with or without LrC adjustments? I tried it and I couldn't see a difference either. Just to be on the safe side setting up a preset to remove all edits is pretty easy. Anthony says to use reset button but that puts Sharpening to the default of 40 and the lens corrections are still active.

Adobe says to

• We recommend to Denoise your image before applying other tools, including AI masks and Content-Aware, as using Enhance might change the result of the tools used.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/enhance-details.html

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I’m still doing tests - terrific results being produced by the way - but I am also pondering whether making any adjustments before/after makes a tangible difference. It’s like any adjustments are ‘put aside’ while denoise is used on the raw, then they are re-applied to the resultant DNG (so noise isn’t exacerbated). It may be one difference is the time taken for processing.

We’re off on a (soggy) weekend trip today, do I should have plenty of low light shots to work with next week…

Phil

 

[Only RF]

I’m still doing tests - terrific results being produced by the way - but I am also pondering whether making any adjustments before/after makes a tangible difference. It’s like any adjustments are ‘put aside’ while denoise is used on the raw, then they are re-applied to the resultant DNG (so noise isn’t exacerbated). It may be one difference is the time taken for processing.

We’re off on a (soggy) weekend trip today, do I should have plenty of low light shots to work with next week…

Phil

Have a good trip! I have read several comments from that video. If you have a couple of settings like the sharpening set to the default it will likely will not affect anything. It's when you have 30 with masks, etc. Makes sense. I have a pre Denoise preset that puts everything to zero and unchecks lens corrections and CA. I have another that adds everything back. Only takes seconds.